Does Kiddie Tax Create Inequality

First below is the basic information about what Kiddie tax is (this is from irs.gov)?

If the child’s interest, dividends, and other investment income total more than $2,000, part of that income may be taxed at the parent’s tax rate instead of the child’s tax rate. See Form 8615 Instructions, Tax for Certain Children Who Have Investment Income of More Than $2,000.

Part of a child’s investment income may be taxed at the parent’s tax rate if:

  1. The child’s investment income was more than $2,000
  2. The child meets one of the following age requirements:
    • The child was under age 18 at the end of the tax year
    • The child was age 18 at the end of the tax year and the child’s earned income does not exceed one-half of the child’s own support for the year, or
    • The child was a full-time student who was under age 24 at the end of the tax year and the child’s earned income does not exceed one half of the child’s own support for the year (excluding scholarships)
  3. At least one of the child’s parents was alive at the end of the tax year
  4. The child is required to file a tax return for the tax year, and
  5. The child does not file a joint return for the tax year
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Fascinating

Okay, now with the basic definition of what Kiddie tax is, here are the reasons that I think that kiddie taxes could be a cause of wealth inequality.

  1. To be taxed at your parents rate is punitive and teaches young student that investing is bad.  Teaching that investing is bad to young people encourages them to miss out on one of the greatest wealth builders in the United States.
  2. Another huge disensentive is the tedious and complex tax filing consideration.  Why even try?  Young Adults have enough complexities with live without this complex and head ache of a rule.  Why even try?
  3. It’s hard enough for kids to divert money from spending on fun things to know that the government a huge bite out of the earnings right away.  Again, why even try?

In conclusion, I have to believe that the Kiddie tax does more harm that good.  Perhaps the government should re-evaluate the way that they are discouraging the young to consider investing because of the Kiddie Taxes (after all a 23 year old is pretty old and not a kid anymore).

It’s sad that we complain that kids aren’t being taught finances in school on one hand, but then in the other hand our taxing system is screwing young adults if they decide to go that route.  Where is the fairness here?

At a very minimum, the threshold amount should be raised from $2,000 to $5,000.  At $5,000 it’s not entirely fair either, but at least it’s less of a disinsentive to participate in the greatest wealth builder in America (ask Warren Buffett).  And to think of all of those projections that say “start early”, but I wonder how many of those projects calculate the huge tax bite that the government may take out of their investment projection models?

I think it a horrible lesson for our youth, and the pros (teaching kids to invest) outweigh the cons (bad folks taking advantage of their kid’s brokerage accounts for tax purposes.  Besides, these days the government can detect such transactions that are questionable…  I wonder if the government even realizes the potential harm they are doing on kids and young adults?

I write a lot of what I consider unique things (or at least I think them), and I sometimes worry about others might copying my content… but this is one area that I would gladly allow to be paraphrased, and even encourage it!

What do you think? 

Don

 

An iPad Mini For Christmas

I broke down and bought an iPad Mini for Christmas!

Oh, not for me, instead it’s for my eight (soon to be nine) year old daughter!

As a frugal personal finance blogger that works in technology field, how could I justify the $129 increase in the price of a product that might be considered inferior to the Google Nexus 7?  After all, the Google Nexus 7 only cost $199 and is a very beefy, fast system?

An my answer is… I can’t.  From a personal finance perspective, the Google Nexus 7 is the more logical smart device to purchase.  Shoot, if I were to buy a 7 inch tablet for myself for Christmas, the Google Nexus 7 is what I would buy.  The Apple iPad mini is actually 7.9 inches, but that alone doesn’t warrant the 129 dollar price increase.

So again, why in the world would I buy an iPad mini for Christmas to give to my daughter?

The Apple culture and experience!

iPad mini

 

Yep, I’m buying my daughter the iPad mini, because all of the cool kids (and many adults) love Apple iPad minis (or really any Apple product).  I guess it’s the same reason that I bought my son an iPod touch.  In fact, he had such a great experience with his iPod touch that it was a no brainer to buy my daughter the iPad mini.

Vanity?  Yes to a certain extent, but much, much more too.

Why not buy my daughter an iPod Touch instead, after all I bought one for my son?

Because I can get an iPad mini for just $29 more.  Oh sure, the version I’m buying only has a storage capacity of 16G, but the rest of the system is decent enough!  Quite honestly, I’m getting the iPad mini for Christmas instead of the iPod touch because it’s a better experience…

Another big reason that I’m buying the iPad mini for Christmas is because of bragging right and for nostalgic reasons.  I want both of my kids to look back some day with fond memories 10 or 20 years down the road when the next big thing has replaced Apple from being the dominate smart device supplier that it is today.  There are thing in life that if you miss out on by not having such things in an earlier time period, you may never have.  Since I want my kids to be future digerati, I want to give them the best exposure to technology.

As for me, I’ve missed the Apple boat a long time ago.  I’m an Android guy and that’s a win too!

While we went with an iPad mini, there are definitely other choices that are worth consideration!  Look around and compare!

Happy Holidays,

Don

Reasons for a Non-working Allowance for Kids

I admit, I’m somewhat unique in my implementation of the allowance plan that I provide for my kids.  You see, they get an Allowance only to learn how to manage money.  They don’t have to perform any work to collect their allowances, and that makes me an odd duck in the eyes of many of my peers.

Recently, while on vacation in Myrtle Beach, one of my wife’s friends started asking me about my approach to Allowances, with a reprimanding tone in her voice (apparently my wife told her of my Allowance policy and obviously she didn’t approve).

Cash in Hand

Cash in Hand

Instead of wanting to debate with her on the merits of my Allowance plan, I decided to verbally identify the past performance and the associated benefits that my kids have accomplished with their money management skills gained through getting such an Allowance policy.

  1. First, my son (on his own mind you) created a journal entry system that tracks his amount that he is saving and the amount that he has for spending.  The far exceeded what I had taught him, and to be quite honest, I was somewhat floored by his idea for managing his money.  If you were to look at his notebook, it’s literally looks like a checkbook journal minus the date field and column headings.
  2. My kids no longer ask for toys at the store because they know that they will be paying for it with their money from their allowance.  It’s amazing how they don’t even look at the junk anymore and instead focus on those few items that they find the most joy from.  Lego’s for my son and Build-A-Bear stuffed toys for my daughter.
  3. They actually get excited and proud when we deposit the money that they have saved into the bank, in some ways it’s like a game.  Since my daughter is still young (she’s 8 now), she still has envelopes for the money to be split between area such as savings and spending…
  4. To make extra money, we still offer to pay them for work they want to pick up to make extra money around the house.  So while they are learning money management skills from the allowance, they also are learning the value of a dollar.  You’re probably wondering why I do this?  Well, I don’t want them to associate money necessarily with hard (especially manual) work.  I don’t want them to think of money as trading their labor and time for.  Money is more than just hard (manual) work it’s a medium for exchanging things of value!
  5. Incredible math skills.  Both of my kids score very high in math related topics in school.  I attribute part of their fascination and superior performance with math in school, from their real life experience of managing their money.  Math is no longer an abstract principle to know, instead it has a basis in reality that I think sharpens their focus on the topic.

While my son (who is almost 12), has made the most progress, my daughter is coming along nicely too.  I’m impressed that already she doesn’t want to just spend and spend, like money is a forever resource.

After identifying the history of my plan my wife’s friend didn’t really debate me at all, and said “It sounds like they’re going a great job”.  I was surprised and a bit happy with this response.

So while my approach around an Allowance might not work for every kid, it seems to be a perfect instrument in learning for my kids!

Bests,

MR

Spending Money On Kids

Today my son asked if he could spend $2 to buy special armor for some free online tank game.

Since I knew it was a free game, I instantly shot down that idea, actually making him feel a little bad in the process.  While I didn’t mean to make him feel bad, sometime the way my mind works, when it get on a topic, it flushes out all the details in a combative manner.  Of course I wasn’t yelling, but I think there was anger in my voice because of the FREE game would cost my son or me money.  I was mad at the game creators not my son.

It’s kind of ironic really…  in 4 or 5 more years I’ll be buying him a car (used of course), but here and now, today… I’m complaining to him about spending two dollars.  Ten minutes later, I explained to him that since he has his own business submitting blogger articles to social engines that he could use the paypal account that we’ll setup for him to buy that two dollar free armor (yes I’m still a bit upset).  After all, I give him an allowance so that he learns to spend and save money in an intelligent way, and to date, he has done very well!

Rich Kid

If you’re a frequent reader, you know that I recently bought my son a laptop, so you might be thinking I’m over reacting…  But with the laptop, I knew he would use it for many things, so that seemed like a smart way to spend money, versus armor that if he got enough points by playing he could buy without spending real money (the money he would spend would give him points so he could buy the armor early).

Okay you’ve read my situation, now for a money tips with kids.  Much like adults, if the instant gratification factor is ignored, a kid (or person) will find that the item they wanted to spend money on will lessen with time.  So I’ll wait until next week, and then if he still says he wants to spend the two dollars I’ll let him.  But honestly, this will probably be the last I hear about the matter.

Time and desire are inversely related.  The more time runs, the less desirable an object becomes.

Cheers,

Mr